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Creation Science Classes 104 – Dr. Kent Hovind

CSE-logo This course covers Part 6 and Part 7 of the Creation Seminar Series. The Hovind Theory blends Scripture and scientific observation to provide a fascinating explanation of the Flood, the Ice Age, and the formation of coal, mountain ranges, and the Grand Canyon. This course also covers the frequently asked questions that Dr. Hovind has been presented throughout his years in this ministry.

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CSE-103 Class 10 Notes

CSE 103 - Class 10

Hovind Theory
The Biblical Flood and the Ice Epoch, Donald Patten book.

Genesis 1:6-8
[5] And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
[6] And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
[7] And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
[8] And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Canopy of water above the atmosphere

Psalms 148:4
[4] Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.
Water above the stars still?

2 Peter 3:3-5
[3] Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
[4] And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
[5] For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Water under the crust of the earth.

People lived over 900 years.
Dinosaurs just very old lizards.

Genesis 6:5
[5] And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
You don't only think, you think about your thoughts before they happen. The imaginations of your thoughts can be evil.
Your brain has more electrical connections in it than the entire world.

Genesis 6:12
[12] And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
All flesh could mean animals or just men.
Teeth marks on dinosaur bones could be fighting during flood. Waters take months to rise and every one gathered in high places. People now fight for some dumb things.

Genesis 6:12
... I will destroy them with the earth.
God talks to him self
God destroyed the earth too not just all men

2 Peter 3:5
[5] For this they willingly are ignorant of,
1. Heavens were of old
2. Earth standing in the water and out of the water.

If you see the word 'Therefore' you better find out what is there fore. Same as 'whereby?

'earth' and 'world' used interchangeably

Why didn't God just say 'Die' and every one dies. Why did he use a flood?
Hugh Ross - Local flood - every profit needs a platform to preach from and Noah's was the boat
Tell Noah to move.
1. Flood leaves evidence.
Later generations would believe Noah when he said that he was a only surviver of a flood that killed everyone.
26000 ft above sea level on top of Mt. Everest there are fossils found.
2. Flood reminds us of the consequences of our sin.
Fossils, Grand Canyon, Fault lines should remind us of our sin
When kids look at these things it should remind them that God hates sin.
3. Gave people time to repent
Genesis 6:3
[3] And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
God gave Noah 120 years warning
Lamech had many sons and daughters.
Noah's brothers and sisters did not believe him.

Ice age - what would it take to freeze a mammoth standing up?

If all of the water in the atmosphere condensate it would probably produce 2? of rain.

Pangaea theory - South America and Africa look like they would fit together
Fact: similar fossils are found in South America and Africa
Africa shrunk 35-40% to fit
A calculation of percentage can be deceiving. Cut a paper in half and it is not 50% of paper just 50% of the surface area
They remove Mexico and Central America to make it work.
They had to twist Africa and South America opposite directions to fit
They miss the most obvious thing that there is dirt under the water
You could prove both sides of a river are parallel however that does not mean that one time they were connected. They are still connected just lower.

Magnetic reversals
Cretin stones will pick up magnetic fields and hold them.
Opposites attract (accept in San Francisco)
No one knows how the earth has a magnetic field
Causes the northern lights
Ring around the North pole
same as florescent lamps
Charged particles from the sun fluoresce in the atmosphere
Magnetic field causes compasses to point North

Electricity running through a wire causes a magnetic field
A moving magnetic field causes electricity in a wire.
No one knows how the magnetic field exists or how it could have reversed.

Rock melted like magma and the iron flows like water and the magnetic field pulls it in a line pointing North.

Boats in middle of ocean coring holes and checking magnetic strength in cores.
Many samples across the bottom of ocean floor
Made a chart graph showing where it was stronger and weaker and saw a pattern. Someone drew a line through the middle of the chart and said that everything below the line was a reversal.
1800's Gauss figured out how to measure the strength of the earth's magnetic field.
Electromagnets - Junk yard, power locks
Earth's field has been loosing strength. 6% in the last 150 years
If the magnetic field was too strong it would have killed life on earth
Thomas Barnes - calculated the maximum age of earth to 25,000 years
Evolutionists don't like that because they don't want to limit the age of the earth.
Some planets have strong magnetic field and some don't.

Fact: the earth's magnetic field is decreasing
They say there are reversals because there is no other option for them.

Psalms 24:1-2
[1] The earth is the LORD's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.
[2] For he hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods.
Psalms 136:6
[6] To him that stretched out the earth above the waters: for his mercy endureth for ever.
Water under the earth's crust.
Fountains opened first then the windows of heaven.

Atmosphere won't hold enough water to flood earth
Latent heat of condensation
When water condensates it produces heat
If it rained for 40 days enough water to cover Mt. Everest the heat released would destroy all life on earth.
1 drop of water would cover the earth if spread thin enough.
Fly over the top of ocean.
Pacific ocean 11,000 miles wide at equator. 64 million square miles. And that is just the surface.
There is enough water on the planet that if you flattened out the mountains and valleys the water would be 1.5 miles deep.

Flood was not caused by rain.
Water kept coming up for 150 days

Put a grape in the sun. Water evaporates but the skin stays the same size.
Crust of earth wrinkles up when water left.
Walt Brown - In the Beginning (Book)
Hydroplate theory
High speed film of balloon popping. Tear spreads around surface of balloon as popping. Earth quake same way.

Weight of crust of the earth on all the water below forces water out crack 10 to 20 miles up as crack races around the surface of the earth.
Crack gets wider because of erosion.

Push a mattress on its sides and it bulges in middle. Rock surface does the same thing.
Basalt pushes up in the middle and causes the contents to push apart. Basalt lifted up until the pressure equalizes.
Still large sections of water under crust called aquifers.

Put magnet in oven and it will loose its strength. If cooled in earths magnetic field it will return if pointed North/South. Basalt hot and cools with water rushing back in locking in magnetic signature and depending on situation cause it to be stronger or weaker.

San Andreas fault, Hayward fault,

Compass will always point North on ocean floor

Fact: Earth has cracks
How did they get there?

Slip fault
Two plates moving horizontal in opposite directions. Jerking as tension is released is earth quakes.
Strike fault
Two plates moving vertical and one going up the other down into hot core - subduction
Rain storms, mud slides, erosion, etc.
Dirt always goes down never up. It will eventually all wind up in the oceans.
The rock at bottom of pacific ocean is covered by some dirt.
They can calculate how long the dirt has been accumulating and winds up being only several thousand years.
A pond gets a little dirt in it each year and eventually if let alone will fill up.
Evolutionists claim that the floor is going down at edges and coming up in middle so the bottom is always being recycled and constantly renewing its self.

Contents are supposedly moving as fast as fingernails grow. 1 inch a year or so.
Satellite in parking orbit. Lasers from America and Europe measure angle and calculate if the contents are moving. A larger angle means further apart and smaller angle means closer together.
Atmospheric distortion can come up to .046 arc seconds of distortion through the air.
After 8 years of measuring they found no movement.
Since they knew there was a possibility for error due to atmosphere of up to 3 inches they said that it must have moved 3 inches but they could not measure it.

Maybe they are moving. It does not matter.
Take the water out there is still dirt underneath.
Plates move. That does not prove they always moved or at the same rate.
Car going on I10 East. Does that prove he started in California several days ago?

CSE-103 Class 9 Notes

CSE 103 - Class 9

Three branches of government created to balance power

If they all go bad we at least have the 2nd amendment

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take control of ALL modes of transportation, control highways and seaports.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize control of communications and the media.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food sources.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take control of all airports and aircraft including commercial aircraft.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned and establish new locations for populations.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take control of railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

FEMA will be the enforcers of the New World Order
UN property in US donated by Rockefeller

World Counsel of Churches - trying to create a one world religion
CFR - Counsel of foreign Relations
The Trilateral Commission - America England Japan
Bilderbergers - European banker financiers that control world events because countries owe them so much money
IMF - International Monetary Fund
International Bankers

communism would have collapsed if not for American and European financiers. Communism gave America a reason to keep stocked up on weapons and get them selves into debt.

NEA - National Education Association
Have plans to bring about one world government through school system
NOW - National Organization for Wild Women
ACLU - American Communist Lawyers Union
Masonic Loge - based on knowledge and Lucifer is God
oath taken
"... most solemnly and sincerely promise and swear, that I will always hail, ever conceal, and never reveal, any of the arts, parts or points of the hidden mysteries of ancient Freemasonry. ... All this I most solemnly, sincerely promise and swear, with a firm and steadfast resolution to perform the same, without any mental reservation or secret evasion of mine whatever binding myself under no less a penalty than that of having my throat cut across, my tongue torn out by its roots, and buried in the rough sand of the sea at low water mark where the tide ebbs and flows twice in twenty-four hours, should I ever knowingly or willingly violate my solemn oath and obligation as an Entered Apprentice Mason. So help me, God."
God commanded not to swear at all.
Matthew 5:34
[34] But I say unto you, Swear not at all;
James 5:12
[12] But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath:

33rd degree mason is honorary
33rd day of year is ground hogs day and the first satanic holiday of the year
masonic secret hand symbols, hand shakes, way they stand
1933 Secretary of Commerce Henry A. Wallace 32nd degree mason put pyramid symbol on back of $1 bill.
Symbol may represent all seeing eye of Lucifer. The gap represents that he is not yet been installed as corner stone, 13 rows of stone represent 13 masonic groups, things growing in front of pyramid and not behind represent Lucifer bringing the world out of destruction.
1776 Illuminati started
1933 first humanist manifesto signed by John Dewy who became the president of the teachers college.

Much time is put into making different bibles to confuse.

Goat head is the symbol for devil, Kid is the child of the goat - when you call someone a kid it was actually an insult to say they were part of the occult.

A upside down 5 point star is also a goat head.
Washington DC is set up as a upside down 5 point star

Are Christians going to be here during the rapture?
1)we will be here during the tribulation
2)There will be a Pre tribulation rapture
3)Middle tribulation rapture 9 When things get bad (3.5 years)
4)No tribulation

Tribulation = what the world does to Christians
Wrath of God = what God does to the world
Matthew 24
John 16
Gone before tribulation?
What about the Chinese or Russian Christians?

Romans 5
[3] And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
[9] Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
We will suffer tribulation but not God's wrath.
If it was truly a pre-tribulation rapture it is several thousand years to late.

Colossians 3:6
[6] For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

Pray for God to guide you with good understanding and wisdom.
Old testament refers a lot to men of understanding and wisdom.

1. Get motivated
2. God is in control. Relax.
Be wise as serpents
Be careful of nothing - Care for nothing
We are Gods children. Do what he says.
3. Spread the gospel
4. Be the salt of the earth
Salt flavors - people will come away from you with a different taste
Salt irritates
Salt preserves
5. Use our influence - school boards, politics When Paul was preaching to heathen on Mars hill he started with the God that created the heaven and earth because they did not know scripture like the Jews.
6. Don't get distracted
Houses, cars, things, sports
Mobile in crib does good job distracting children. Satan does the same to us.
Psalms 101:3
[3] I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes:
1 Samuel 17:29
[29] And David said, What have I now done? Is there not a cause?
People waste time plucking leaves when they should be attacking the roots. Society is turning because of the corruption caused by evolution.
People that play sports want to play more sports.
People with a fast motorcycle want a faster motorcycle.
People who love money want more money.
Ecclesiastes 5:10
[10] He that loveth silver shall not be satisfied with silver;
Some day if you practice for thousands of hours you will be able to knock a little ball in the hole in the dirt.
It's all going to burn
1 John 2:17
[17] And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
7. Listen for the trumpet
8. Win souls

There will be a 1000 year reign of Christ
Satan will deceive the nations no more

CSE-103 Class 8 Notes

CSE 103 - Class 8

Hitler came to power because American financiers helped because they wanted a way to make money

Hitler - Mein Kamph
No more than Nature desires the mating of weaker with stronger individuals, even less does she desire the blending of a higher with a lower race, since, if she did, her whole work of higher breeding, over perhaps hundreds of thousands of years, night be ruined with one blow.

Aryan race was superior and the rest of the world should be exterminated

US government immigration commission created a report in 1930's-1940's saying that Southern and Eastern Europeans were inferior to Northern and Western Europeans

Hitler offered to send the Jews to any country on luxury ships.
America did not want them. Turned them away if they did come to the shores.

Hitler's List
Blond Hair Blue Eyed Norwegian - Pure Aryan
Brown hair blue eyed (Less preferred Brown eyed) German - Mostly Aryan
Mediterranean - mostly Aryan
Slovak - Half Aryan Half Ape
Oriental - slightly Ape
African - mostly Ape
Jews - almost pure Ape

Hitler Movement - book

Phrenology - Study of skull features to determine intelligence
Eye color charts
Long ago there was only Aryan and ape then the two mingled

Torah - old testament
Talmud - collection of Jewish leaders thoughts

Talmud Yebamoth 98a
All gentile children are animals
Talmud Abodah Zara 26b
Even the best of the gentiles should be killed
every culture is racist in some way

Papua New Guinea
they teach their children that if you kill someone in battle to cut off their heads and eat their brain and you will get their spirit.
If you teach kids something throughout their entire life they will believe it.

Hitler wanted to make the people feel small and the cause feel great
granite theater in Nuremberg Germany

Humanists think the same way.
You are small and insignificant in the giant mother earth

UN drives the one world government
One military force that can intervene in the affairs of other countries
Eliminate veto power held by the US in the securities counsel
Give UN jurisdiction over earth commons (oceans, crust, minerals, etc.)

UN has divided earth into sections. Since Americans won't willingly shoot other Americans they will have the Russian solders over see some parts of America and other solders from other countries in the rest and American solders in Russia.
Psalms 2
[1] Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
[2] The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
[3] Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
[4] He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

God is sitting in heaven laughing

UN given power to tax global commons
UN control international food
UN control international commerce

British royal family think they are of the Illuminati bloodline
Think they are superior than other people

A real church can not get building permits. God has told them what to do and the government can not give them permission because they already have permission
No church needs to be 501(c)3 incorporated
once a church has been incorporated they are under the jurisdiction of the government
Government then tells them they can not talk about politics or who to vote for

Judges know the laws regarding incorporation and legal persons and physical persons but won't tell you

Government installing 3 #14 wires across road to count traffic. Wires sufficient to create a EMP.
Cameras are all over the roads

UN definition of peace is no one fighting back
Declaration of Independence
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,

Two options
There is a God - Find out what he wants and start doing it
There is no God - Get a group of smart men together and start creating some laws

There should be only 2 roles of the federal government
1.Punish evil doers

This country has started out as a Constitutional Republic where God's laws are supreme

What they do is cause a crisis to make the people ask the government to intervene

Medusa File

American POW's captured by Japanese would be sold to Russia to work in slave labor camps in coal mines.
From Vietnam war POW's were sold to Chinese labor camps.

John Birch Society - helps fight communism in our country
Berlin wall did not come down because of the end of communism but because there was just as much communism on the other side that it was no longer necessary.

Protocol of Zion - book
300 Jewish masonic leaders run the world
Comity of 300
Counsel of foreign relations

Cause crisis and ask government to help
Great depression caused to get people a social security number
Winston Churchill was brought in to the visitors gallery to watch the stock market crash caused by the federal reserve.

Civil War
WW2 Lincoln was first president to give executive order
order to send federal troops to fight civil war
there are now 13000 executive orders
Lincoln did not like the Federal Reserve so he printed green backs that had no interest associated with them so the bankers did not make any money and they did not like that.

Communism takes two steps forward and one step back and then everyone is happy because they think we won.
Cuban missile crisis - communists wanted a military base on Cuba so they built a base and then brought missiles. We then stopped them from bringing the missile shaped objects under tarps and were happy when they only had a base.

Oklahoma City
Bomb expert says that a truck bomb will not shear the columns off a building and there was no crater where the truck was parked, it was probably C4 on the pillars. Fertilizer bomb created and detonated and made a huge crater on the ground.
News footage shows them walking up to the building with no hole in ground.
Bomb was to get rid of non loyal FBI agents that were going to testify against Clinton about Waco. They were the only agents that died because the rest of the agents decided to go for a tour of Oklahoma City at the exact time the bomb went off.
They lived in Oklahoma City, why would they go on a tour of it?

TWA 800
Three men going to Britain to talk to press there about Clinton because the media here would not listen.

footage shows agents going up a ladder and in to the building and then another agent behind them throwing a grenade and shooting into the same window that they went into. The shooting that took place was the agents shooting at each other not the people in the compound.

All we need is the right crisis and Marshal Law will be declared.
War on Crime
War on Poverty
all "war" statements make the president a dictator because it is an executive order and can be enacted without congress

CSE-103 Class 7 Notes

CSE 103 - Class 7

Money is uncontrolled
Real money is defined as gold or silver

Mondex corporation
Money dexterous (Right handed)
Master Card is 51% owner of Mondex

swipe card - phone call is made
store pays 2-4% of purchase price to MC

"Nothing to stop Mondex from becoming the global standard"

Greek 'mark' also means etching as in etching on printed circuit boards
can not buy or sell without cash or credit
soon only accept credit or chip

Centralization of the means of communication and transport
Government owns almost every car in country
when car is made a certificate of origination is created
the state keeps the certificate of origination
when you buy the car with Federal Reserve Notes you get a title issued from state saying you can take that car
if you buy a brand new car with gold or silver you can demand the certificate of origination
license plates are you renting the privilege to drive that car on the roads for one year.

Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
Farms are under the control of the government agents that are assigned to that farm
farmers have to ask for permission for what crop they can grow. If to many people are growing corn that year you have to grow soy bean.

Russia 100 bushels of harvest only 15 get to market
satellites in Europe spy on farmers to count the number of cattle, sheep, corn field acres planted to make sure they are doing what they are told by government
Unions were started to protect workers and children when factories were cruelly run however people have gotten a union mentality that they are only supposed to do one thing and thats it.
Bible teaches to work for your hire. Protestant work ethic.

corporate farms and regional planning

Free public education for industrial purpose
School to work programs in schools
Purpose of education in America was originally to teach kids to read as soon as possible so they could read God's word
uSA was originally a Constitutional Republic
people were given rights because they had internal control
if everyone did what God wanted in Florida then it would be a very good place to live. Everyone would have internal control
with a communist work ethic people need to have external control because they don't take pride in their work or property

Ants are productive and help each other without any one asking them too. They step on each other and no one gets upset.

UN world declaration of education - one world curriculum
School to work, Goals 2000, etc
100% compliant with world curriculum
Humanists started teaching in colleges to brainwash the new teachers
They then went to all the schools to teach the kids

Discrimination against creationists.

communist rules for revolution - Even if the list was not real they still are very true
1. Corrupt the young; get them away from religion. Get them interested in sex. Make them superficial; destroy their ruggedness.
2. Get control of all means of publicity, thereby:
3. Get people's minds off their government by focusing their attention on athletics, sexy books, plays and immoral movies.

Scripture doesn't say anything about jails or prisons
If you steal you pay back 4 times what you took
more severe crimes corporal punishment
must be 2 witnesses to be executed

4. Divide the people into hostile groups by constantly harping on controversial matters of no importance.
5. Destroy the people's faith in their natural leaders by holding the latter up to contempt, ridicule and disgrace.
6. Always preach true democracy, but seize power as fast and as ruthlessly as possible.

100 years ago to take over every news media people like Rockefeller would buy the most popular news papers in the area and eventually the rest would merge or close.
Rockefeller would buy most of the gas stations in town and sell gas for below cost for several months to get the rest of the gas stations to close or sell to him and then when he was a monopoly he would jack prices way up
Rockefeller gave speeches thanking media for being discrete about their goals for a one world government but now the world is more ready to be run by a NWO

Wars could not be fought if we were still on the gold standard
When you run out of money you run out of bullets
Now if you need more money you can print more

If you see the media dwelling on a topic of little importance than they are usaly trying to cover something up.
OJ Simpson case was covering up when Clinton was trying to give the communist Chinese a port in California.

7. By encouraging government extravagance, destroy its credit, produce years of inflation with rising prices and general discontent.

Stalin - Those who cast the votes decide nothing, those who count the votes decide everything.
Dole/Buchanan race each place in a cretin county that votes were counted by hand Buchanan won, when counted by machine Dole won. The fed 10 sheets through that were marked Buchanan and 6 of them read Dole.

8. Incite unnecessary strikes in vital industries, encourage civil disorders and foster a lenient and soft attitude on the part of government toward such disorders.

9. Cause breakdown of the old moral values - honesty, sobriety, self-restraint, faith in the pledged word, ruggedness.

10. Cause the registration of all firearms on some pretext, with a view to confiscate them and leaving the populace helpless.

You can't control a country that can defend them selves
Lennon - One person with a gun can control 100 people with out a gun

You might be a liberal if you think guns cause crime but don't think matches cause arson
You might be a liberal if you think the death penalty is government sanctioned killing but that prison is not government sanctioned kidnapping
You might be a liberal if you don't trust honest Americans with automatic weapons, but you do trust the government with them

2nd amendment was not so we could go duck hunting but was to protect our selves from the government
The only way to keep the government in line is to have them fear the people
If the government fear the people you have freedom
if the people fear the government you have tyranny

Animals have horns that eat grass. They do not need them to eat, they need them to keep the lions off their backs and leave them alone.

2 types of wars
war of aggression - taking someones land
war of defense

Columbine, CO
broke 18 gun laws by going in that school
would 2 more laws have stopped them?
They killed because they believed in evolution

"Blaming guns for Columbine is like blaming spoons for Rosie Odonnell being fat"

Should capital punishment be public?
Capital punishment does not deter criminals - it does for the ones that got caught - they won't be committing crimes anymore

In the bible the person that the crime was against got to cast the first stone.

Auto store put signs in all their entrance doors "No guns allowed on premises"
what does that say to criminals "Rob me"
sign should say "All employees are required to carry guns"
what does that say to criminals

At war time to they let captured enemy keep their guns?

Australia passed gun control laws and every one turned in their guns
Homicides up 3.2%
Assaults up 8%
Armed robberies up 44%
in Victoria homicide with firearm up 320%

with guns we are citizens
without guns we are subjects
create a crisis so you can create your own solution
Hitler blew up the Reichstag to get more gun control

Marx referred to evolution all the time
When the Chinese took over a city they did not teach communism. They went to the schools and taught evolution first.

WW2 14000 Polish POW solders were executed because Hitler gave the command that they were inferior.
Geneva Convention means nothing if you don't believe in God

60 Million Chinese killed because they were Christians