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CSE-102 Klas 7 NotitiesCSE 102 – Class 7
2 people see same thing and come too two different conclusions
Grand Canyon
Evolutionist – Millions of years
Creationist – Flood did in 30 minutes
Kaibab uplift – 7000-8000 ft
Colorado river enters canyon at 2800ft above sea level
Leaves canyon at 1800ft above sea level
Drops 1000 ft
No delta
Grand Canyon is washed out spill way
Water goes over at lowest point – makes opening larger until canyon is formed
2 Peter 3:3-4
“[3] Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
[4] And saying, Where is the promise of his coming” for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.”
Scientists watch how much rock is removed in 1 year and calculate how long it took to form the canyon by multiplying by how deep it is
2 Peter 3:5
“For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:”
James Hutton wrote a book in 1775 (Theory of the Earth with Proofs and Illustrations)
Estimated earth was much older than expected – looked at rock formations
Established uniformitarianism
The present is the key to the past – Things are as they always were
1700’s many revolutions to get rid of kings – bible says you should honor the king – get rid of bible
Scottish lawyer Charles Lyell read this book
He hated the bible
In his writings he scoffed at the bible instead of outright saying that Christians were wrong because most people were still Christians.
“the interests of religion as well as those of sound philosophy had suffered, by perpetually mixing up the sacred writings with questions in physical science”
“men of superior talent alone, who thought for themselves, and were not
blinded by authority, could deduce any jut conclusions from geological evidence.”
Lyell wanted to “free the science from moses”
Lyell dug and found layers.
He named the layers and assigned them an age and index fossil
Only place geologic column exists is in the text book
No erosion marks between layers
Did not rain for millions of years?
polystrate fossils found through multiple layers
Minerals have hardness between 1 and 10
1 talc – softest material
3 finger nail
10 diamond – hardest material
Circular reasoning
1830 derived age of layers based on portions of living and extinct mollusk shells in the layer.
Assumed evolution happened to get results
Encyclopedia Britannica agrees that dating is circular
archaeologist – 0-1000 years old
anthropologist – 1000 – 1,000,000 years old
Radiometric dating can not be done without first using index fossil to determine age
Circular reasoning can be dealt with in the following ways
3.Ignore it – it is not the concern of the public
4.Deny it – Call out the law of evolution
5.Admit it
6.Avoid it by pragmatic reasoning
Limestone appears multiple times in the geologic column
How can you tell how old it is?
By the index fossil
They think Trilobite is a good index fossil for 600MY
Fossilized Trilobite smashed by shoe
1974 Science News
Trilobites eye is the most complex eye structure ever – 16000 lenses – can see in every direction
Trilobites roll up when scared or naturally roll up when dieing
Found fossilized in all positions including half rolled – covered very quickly
Graptolite – New York State fossil
410 MY old
in 1995 found some in South Pacific
they could be in any rock layer
Lobbed fin Fish
Short arm then fin
Index fossil for 325 to 410 MY old rock
1938 found in fish market
Coelacanth – Indian ocean – Madagascar
It survived 300 million years.
Won’t admit geologic column is wrong
18MY old leaves found still green
Readers digest Mysteries of the Unexplained
Toads that jump out of lumps of coal
France blasting a tunnel through a mountain
Pterodactyl 10’9″ wing span
leathery skin
squawked and died
perfect imprint of it on both sides of the rock
many toads and lizards can stay dormant for years
Petrified trees are found standing up through multiple layers of rock all over the world
many of the layers are less than 500 years old
short roots – ripped out of ground
some found in coal
top petrified – bottom coalified
sometimes found upside down
1800’s more machines started to be invented
what used to take 3 weeks to harvest can now be done in 3 hours
world becoming more prosperous
When things are good people tend to go away from God
Lyell tells them rock layers are million’s of years old
Lyell influenced Charles Darwin who was straight out of bible college
Lyell’s book Principals of Geology was written in 1830
Darwin took his voyage in 1831
Grand Canyon
Evolutionist – Millions of years
Creationist – Flood did in 30 minutes
Kaibab uplift – 7000-8000 ft
Colorado river enters canyon at 2800ft above sea level
Leaves canyon at 1800ft above sea level
Drops 1000 ft
No delta
Grand Canyon is washed out spill way
Water goes over at lowest point – makes opening larger until canyon is formed
2 Peter 3:3-4
“[3] Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
[4] And saying, Where is the promise of his coming” for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.”
Scientists watch how much rock is removed in 1 year and calculate how long it took to form the canyon by multiplying by how deep it is
2 Peter 3:5
“For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:”
James Hutton wrote a book in 1775 (Theory of the Earth with Proofs and Illustrations)
Estimated earth was much older than expected – looked at rock formations
Established uniformitarianism
The present is the key to the past – Things are as they always were
1700’s many revolutions to get rid of kings – bible says you should honor the king – get rid of bible
Scottish lawyer Charles Lyell read this book
He hated the bible
In his writings he scoffed at the bible instead of outright saying that Christians were wrong because most people were still Christians.
“the interests of religion as well as those of sound philosophy had suffered, by perpetually mixing up the sacred writings with questions in physical science”
“men of superior talent alone, who thought for themselves, and were not
blinded by authority, could deduce any jut conclusions from geological evidence.”
Lyell wanted to “free the science from moses”
Lyell dug and found layers.
He named the layers and assigned them an age and index fossil
Only place geologic column exists is in the text book
No erosion marks between layers
Did not rain for millions of years?
polystrate fossils found through multiple layers
Minerals have hardness between 1 and 10
1 talc – softest material
3 finger nail
10 diamond – hardest material
Circular reasoning
1830 derived age of layers based on portions of living and extinct mollusk shells in the layer.
Assumed evolution happened to get results
Encyclopedia Britannica agrees that dating is circular
archaeologist – 0-1000 years old
anthropologist – 1000 – 1,000,000 years old
Radiometric dating can not be done without first using index fossil to determine age
Circular reasoning can be dealt with in the following ways
3.Ignore it – it is not the concern of the public
4.Deny it – Call out the law of evolution
5.Admit it
6.Avoid it by pragmatic reasoning
Limestone appears multiple times in the geologic column
How can you tell how old it is?
By the index fossil
They think Trilobite is a good index fossil for 600MY
Fossilized Trilobite smashed by shoe
1974 Science News
Trilobites eye is the most complex eye structure ever – 16000 lenses – can see in every direction
Trilobites roll up when scared or naturally roll up when dieing
Found fossilized in all positions including half rolled – covered very quickly
Graptolite – New York State fossil
410 MY old
in 1995 found some in South Pacific
they could be in any rock layer
Lobbed fin Fish
Short arm then fin
Index fossil for 325 to 410 MY old rock
1938 found in fish market
Coelacanth – Indian ocean – Madagascar
It survived 300 million years.
Won’t admit geologic column is wrong
18MY old leaves found still green
Readers digest Mysteries of the Unexplained
Toads that jump out of lumps of coal
France blasting a tunnel through a mountain
Pterodactyl 10’9″ wing span
leathery skin
squawked and died
perfect imprint of it on both sides of the rock
many toads and lizards can stay dormant for years
Petrified trees are found standing up through multiple layers of rock all over the world
many of the layers are less than 500 years old
short roots – ripped out of ground
some found in coal
top petrified – bottom coalified
sometimes found upside down
1800’s more machines started to be invented
what used to take 3 weeks to harvest can now be done in 3 hours
world becoming more prosperous
When things are good people tend to go away from God
Lyell tells them rock layers are million’s of years old
Lyell influenced Charles Darwin who was straight out of bible college
Lyell’s book Principals of Geology was written in 1830
Darwin took his voyage in 1831
